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MK1_Oz Open - C4 License
Joined: 02 Dec 2008 Posts: 356 Location: Adelaide
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 2:02 pm Post subject: Inlet Manifold Suggestions |
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I know I asked this before but blowed if I can find where.....
What is the best inlet manifold for 48 DCOE on a Pinto? I have been told before that some cannot be ground out to port match.
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Roger Miller Course Official

Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 2037 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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Make your own.
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Warren Heath P Plater - C3 License

Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 56 Location: Camperdown Vic
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Roger Miller wrote: | | Make your own. |
Agreed
Woz
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MK1_Oz Open - C4 License
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Is there a tech write up on how to? I would assume that it would be a case of getting the correct (48mm) mild steel (??) tube, welding on some flat plate (5mm?) each end with ports cut out and drilling bolt holes? Is it really that easy??????
I know there must be a science to working out the length of the inlet tubes......
I will search here and google......
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Warren Heath P Plater - C3 License

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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| MK1_Oz wrote: | Is there a tech write up on how to? I would assume that it would be a case of getting the correct (48mm) mild steel (??) tube, welding on some flat plate (5mm?) each end with ports cut out and drilling bolt holes? Is it really that easy??????
I know there must be a science to working out the length of the inlet tubes......
I will search here and google...... |
The way I do it is.
-buy 2x weber alloy flanges, or have them water cut yourself.
-either cut the flange off the standard manifold, or get a new one water cut from some new material (easily done by scanning an inlet gasket)
-4x alloy tube pieces around the same inside diameter of the standard inlet port, but nice think side walls (most important they are thick!). What ever length suits you engine.
-turn the alloy tube pieces in a lathe to taper from 46-47mm down to inlet port size (this gives you a basic shape)
-tack weld it all together making sure its all in line and the runners run at the correct angle.
-bolt to an old cyl head a finish the welding
-surface grind both flanges when done (carb side and head side)
-drill and tap carb mounting holes
-hand finish the manifold ports with the manifold bolted to the head you are using to make sure it all matches perfectly.
Time consuming, but in my opinion worth every second considering how much time you have to spend porting an off the shelf item.
The engine that I'm currently doing I will be making another manifold for. I will be posting pics on the classic ford forum as it progresses, but it wont be anytime soon.
Cheers
Woz
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MK1_Oz Open - C4 License
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers Woz
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Danny M Seasoned Racer

Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 1531 Location: Brisbane, Qld
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Glenn if you send me a tube type manifold it wont be getting used as they flow badly and require far to much welding
Danny
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Roger Miller Course Official

Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 2037 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
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MK1_Oz Open - C4 License
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| Well that is a sexy looking bit of kit Roger!!!!!! Anybody know if they flow any good though????????? (Is this the tube type manifold that Danny referred to as not being so good?)
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Danny M Seasoned Racer

Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 1531 Location: Brisbane, Qld
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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That one looks a lot better than most but I'd want to see how it fits and flows as most tubular manifolds have tubes which are too thin and don't allow for much in the way of changing shape to make them flow as we do a fair bit to cast manifolds to change the shape and flow characteristics as I am yet to find a tubular manifold that flow correctly. The other thing is that most tube manifolds are too long as this one may be but I might buy one and have a look as I have thought of getting a friend with a cnc to turn some bespoke inlet runners as length is quite important as too long has it's own dramas as well as the problem of carby clearence to the inner guard. The other thing to think about is the fact that cylinder no.1 is quite straight and will restrict the space for a distributor which is always a drama with a pinto but you can fiddle with the runners to make them flow the same even with the different angles
Danny
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MK1_Oz Open - C4 License
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for that Danny. So even a "simple" inlet manifold is not as simple as a tube turned down from 48mm one end and to whatever the inlet on the head is at the other end?
....I have so much to learn...........
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Roger Miller Course Official

Joined: 21 Dec 2005 Posts: 2037 Location: Adelaide, South Australia
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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Dan,
whats a good length ?
Most are 76 mm. Is this too long ?
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Warren Heath P Plater - C3 License

Joined: 08 Jul 2006 Posts: 56 Location: Camperdown Vic
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Roger Miller wrote: | | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DCOE-CARB-THROTTLE-BODY-ALLOY-FLANGE-MANIFOLD-/110537922876?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item19bc92d93citem19bc92d93c |
Roger, you can buy these over here. If you shop around you can pick them up for $60-70 for a pair.
Cheers
Woz
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stuart P Plater - C3 License
Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 78 Location: Perth WA
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| So people/Danny what is the best off the shelf brand of inlet manifold?? Mangoletsi? Redline? are ther other brands i know burtons sell some but not sure what brand they are?
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Danny M Seasoned Racer

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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 3:24 am Post subject: |
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Generally find the Redline which is a copy of the old Warneford manifold and the castings seem reasonable for the amount of material we have to take out of them as most of the others fall to bits
Danny
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gen mk 1rs2000 Seasoned Racer
Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 1075 Location: gold coast aus
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Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:17 am Post subject: |
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was that add or remove material from the manifold dan ?
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Danny M Seasoned Racer

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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Shut up Steve!!!!
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Noono P Plater - C3 License
Joined: 20 Nov 2007 Posts: 79 Location: Newcastle, NSW
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| stuart wrote: | | So people/Danny what is the best off the shelf brand of inlet manifold?? Mangoletsi? Redline? are ther other brands i know burtons sell some but not sure what brand they are? |
My redline is poorly made - the carby mounting studs are very badly misaligned. This puts the two throttle spindles on different planes which means throttles don't open equal amounts - can be fixed by alloy welding & redrilling/tapping stud holes, or rough fix by elongating carby holes with round file!
If possible put a straight edge on studs before buying
Cheers Gregg
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